Regulation of leg size and shape: Involvement of the Dachsous-fat signaling pathway.
"The protocadherin Dachsous-Fat (Ds-Ft) signaling pathway has been found to be essential for wing development of the fly and leg regeneration of the cricket. The Ds-Ft signaling pathway is linked to the Warts-Hippo (Wts-Hpo) signaling pathway, leading to cell proliferation. Wts-Hpo signaling pathway is involved in the control of organ size, and that this pathway is regulated by Ds-Ft and Merlin-Expanded, which are linked to morphogens such as decapentaplegic/bone morphogenic protein, Wingless/Wnt, and epidermal growth factor[these pathways control anabolic and height growing proteins like WNT and BMPs, it may ultimately be more beneficial to try to manipulate the Ds-Ft pathway rather than all the individual pathways]. steepness of the Ds-Ft gradient controls leg size along the proximodistal axis[So make the Ds-Ft gradiant steeper to grow taller]"
"Hundreds of genetic variants in at least 180 loci influence adult height. The 180 loci are enriched with genes that underlie growth plate development, including hedgehog (Hh) and TGFβ signaling"<-Change TGF-Beta signaling and grow taller(TGF-Beta signaling is enhanced by LSJL)
"Ft is a large atypical cadherin molecule (>5,000 amino acids) as a transmembrane receptor with 34 cadherin domains in its extracellular region"
"These phenomena suggest two important points: (1) when cells with non-continuous PVs[Positional Values] are placed next to each other, the missing PVs are intercalated by growth to provide a set of continuous PVs; (2) the gradient in PVs also specifies planar cell polarity (PCP). It is known that intercalary regeneration also occurs in a circumferential direction"<-alter positional values to grow taller
"the direction of slope or vector of the gradient normally determines polarity, then the steepness could measure dimension and regulate growth, referred to as “Steepness model”. An important aspect of this model is that dimension sensing depends on the linear gradient of PVs established between the boundaries of a defined and growing population of cells whose maximum and minimum scalar values are constant; consequently, as the organ grows, the gradient becomes less steep"<-increase the steepness of the gradient to grow taller. To do that increase specific positional values. LSJL may do this to some degree by only loading the epiphysis and thus increasing the positional values relative to the rest of the bone.
So increasing the positional values is a way to grow taller and if specific positional values are increased the rest of the positional values will be intercalated by the body.
Methodology of increasing positional values is unclear with most of the research being done on the Hydra. It's possible however that LSJL alters the positional value of bone cells.
A good way to study positional value would be muscular hypertrophy. Are there any individual parts of the muscle that grow disproportionately? Bodybuilders often go for the peak but I haven't seen any specific examples of a bodybuilder who developed a bicep peak. If we know what stimulus they used to induce specific growth in only parts of the muscle we can extrapolate that to other tissue types(bone, cartilage).
Here's a paper explaining how chondrocyte cell polarity may control height growth:
Cell polarity: The missing link in skeletal morphogenesis?
So to manipulate height growth we alter cell shape, orientiation, and division. We can alter cell shape and division of the mesenchyme post puberty and thus grow taller after puberty. During puberty, if you want to be tall and thin focus more on increasing chondrocyte cell proliferation. Whereas, if you want to be broader then focus more on increasing chondrocyte hypertrophy.
Here's another article about Wnt5a and it's importance in growth plates. This article was co-authored by R. Tracey Ballock.
Activation of Wnt planar cell polarity (PCP) signaling promotes growth plate column formation in vitro.
"Disrupting the Wnt Planar Cell Polarity (PCP) signaling pathway in vivo results in loss of columnar growth plate architecture. We hypothesized that activation of the Wnt PCP pathway ingrowth plate chondrocyte cell pellets would promote columnar organization in these cells that are normally oriented randomly in culture. Rat growth plate chondrocytes were transfected with plasmids encoding the Fzd7 cell-surface Wnt receptor, a Fzd7 deletion mutant lacking the Wnt-binding domain, or Wnt receptor-associated proteins Ror2 or Vangl2, and then cultured as three-dimensional cell pellets in the presence of recombinant Wnt5a or Wnt5b for 21 days. Cellular morphology was evaluated using histomorphometric measurements. Activation of Wnt PCP signaling components promoted the initiation of columnar morphogenesis in the chondrocyte pellet culture model, as measured by histomorphometric analysis of the column index (ANOVA p = 0.01). Activation of noncanonical Wnt signaling through overexpression of both the cell-surface Wnt receptor Fzd7 and receptor-associated protein Ror2 with addition of recombinant Wnt5a promotes the initiation of columnar architecture of growth plate chondrocytes in vitro, representing an important step toward growth plate regeneration. "
So Wnt5a, Ror2, and Fzd7 are all important to heigth growth.
"Grafting of chondrocyte-seeded scaffolds into proximal tibial growth plate defects led to formation of isolated pockets of chondrocyte columns by day 14 in rabbits"
"the cellular implants failed to completely restore the columnar architecture and function of a growth plate in vivo, however, which is a prerequisite for maintenance of normal long-term growth."<-Likely due to no Wnt5a.
"Wnt signaling consists of two major arms, the canonical and noncanonical pathways. While the canonical Wnt pathway operates through cytoplasmic accumulation of β-catenin in order to regulate gene transcription, the noncanonical pathways transduce their signals in a β-catenin independent fashion. The noncanonical Wnt pathways include the Wnt PCP and Wnt Ca2+ pathways. Although many of the established Wnt ligands and receptors have been found to participate in multiple Wnt signaling pathways, the downstream effects of the canonical and noncanonical arms of Wnt signaling are markedly different. In chondrocytes, canonical Wnt signaling inhibits chondrogenesis and promotes hypertrophy, while the noncanonical Wnt PCP pathway is thought to influence cellular morphology[so want the noncanonical non-Beta-catenin Wnt signaling]. The Wnt Ca2+ pathway has been implicated in the regulation of chondrocyte maturation and proliferation through direct and indirect inhibition of canonical Wnt signaling, but is not the focus of the present study. Wnt PCP effector pathways alter the actin cytoskeleton and cellular morphology through downstream activation of the small GTPases Rac and Rho, and establish cell polarity in response to concentration gradients of appropriate Wnt ligands."
"Wnt PCP components are necessary for flattened chondrocyte morphology and cell stacking in the developing chick limb, and for proper limb elongation in mice. In chicks, maintenance of columnar architecture and flattened cell morphology of proliferative zone chondrocytes is dependent upon expression levels of the Wnt receptor-associated proteins Fzd7 and Vangl2."<-Thus to restore growth plates we have to restore Wnt PCP components.
"Treatment of chondrocyte pellet cultures with Wnt5a or Wnt5b added to the culture media promoted cell flattening, resembling the appearance of proliferative zone chondrocytes."<-So after forming growth plates with LSJL. We have to upregulate Wnt5a. Too bad we don't have data on whether LSJL is inducing chondrogenesis but not growth plates.
"Wnt5a and Fzd7 had a marked impact on induction of columnar architecture, and regions of these pellets displayed architecture reminiscent of the native growth plate"<-So upregulating Fzd7 would be nice to regenerate growth plates as well.
"Fzd7 overexpression and Wnt5a, Wnt5b treatments promote cell stacking."
"Wnt5a promotes the formation of a trimeric receptor complex composed of Fzd7, Ror2, and Vangl2"<-So manipulating any of those 4 likely helps height growth
"Vangl2 misexpression (both under- and overexpression) disrupts column formation in vivo."
According to Transcriptional mechanisms of WNT5A based on NF-κB, Hedgehog, TGFβ, and Notch signaling cascades, TGF-Beta signals upregulate Wnt5a. And since LSJL upregulates TGF-Beta it may already upregulate Wnt5a.
ROLES OF THE FAT PATHWAY IN CARTILAGE PATTERNING AND POLARITY
"Our recent finding that Rere, a close relative of the transcription factor Atrophin which regulates Dachsous (Dchs)-Fat signaling in flies, is required for craniofacial development in zebrafish has implicated the Fat pathway in planar cell polarity (PCP) during skeletogenesis. Dramatic results from our laboratory now demonstrate an even more profound role for a Fat3 in cartilage differentiation, consistent with PCP. Embryos deficient in Rere or Fat3 develop cartilages in which stacking and differentiation are uncoupled in the pharyngeal arches and this leads to joint fusion. Moreover, Rere and Fat3 are critical for coordinating responses of skeletal progenitors to Bmp and Fgf signaling during craniofacial development. We propose to explore the roles of the Fat pathway and PCP in cartilage and joint formation in three sets of experiments. The first aim will address the hypothesis that the Fat pathway couples cartilage stacking and differentiation. Cartilage and joint phenotypes will be evaluated in Rere and Fat3 mutants using live imaging. We will identify the Dchs ligand(s) for Fat in cartilage and create ectopic sources to study signal propagation and modulation{an ectopic source could possibly be a new growth plate}. We will also compare the activities of the Fat pathway and Wnt/PCP and their interdependence in cartilage development. The second aim will address the hypothesis that the Fat pathway coordinates polarized responses to Bmps and other growth factors, thereby linking early patterning events with later organ formation. For this we have new markers of cytoskeletal polarity and cilia that reveal unexpected boundaries of polarity in skeletal progenitors. Finally, the third aim will focus on joint formation and test the hypothesis that the Fat pathway prevents cartilage stacking and differentiation in the joint interzone with inducible elimination or overexpression of Rere or Fat3."
Here's another article about Wnt5a and it's importance in growth plates. This article was co-authored by R. Tracey Ballock.
Activation of Wnt planar cell polarity (PCP) signaling promotes growth plate column formation in vitro.
"Disrupting the Wnt Planar Cell Polarity (PCP) signaling pathway in vivo results in loss of columnar growth plate architecture. We hypothesized that activation of the Wnt PCP pathway ingrowth plate chondrocyte cell pellets would promote columnar organization in these cells that are normally oriented randomly in culture. Rat growth plate chondrocytes were transfected with plasmids encoding the Fzd7 cell-surface Wnt receptor, a Fzd7 deletion mutant lacking the Wnt-binding domain, or Wnt receptor-associated proteins Ror2 or Vangl2, and then cultured as three-dimensional cell pellets in the presence of recombinant Wnt5a or Wnt5b for 21 days. Cellular morphology was evaluated using histomorphometric measurements. Activation of Wnt PCP signaling components promoted the initiation of columnar morphogenesis in the chondrocyte pellet culture model, as measured by histomorphometric analysis of the column index (ANOVA p = 0.01). Activation of noncanonical Wnt signaling through overexpression of both the cell-surface Wnt receptor Fzd7 and receptor-associated protein Ror2 with addition of recombinant Wnt5a promotes the initiation of columnar architecture of growth plate chondrocytes in vitro, representing an important step toward growth plate regeneration. "
So Wnt5a, Ror2, and Fzd7 are all important to heigth growth.
"Grafting of chondrocyte-seeded scaffolds into proximal tibial growth plate defects led to formation of isolated pockets of chondrocyte columns by day 14 in rabbits"
"the cellular implants failed to completely restore the columnar architecture and function of a growth plate in vivo, however, which is a prerequisite for maintenance of normal long-term growth."<-Likely due to no Wnt5a.
"Wnt signaling consists of two major arms, the canonical and noncanonical pathways. While the canonical Wnt pathway operates through cytoplasmic accumulation of β-catenin in order to regulate gene transcription, the noncanonical pathways transduce their signals in a β-catenin independent fashion. The noncanonical Wnt pathways include the Wnt PCP and Wnt Ca2+ pathways. Although many of the established Wnt ligands and receptors have been found to participate in multiple Wnt signaling pathways, the downstream effects of the canonical and noncanonical arms of Wnt signaling are markedly different. In chondrocytes, canonical Wnt signaling inhibits chondrogenesis and promotes hypertrophy, while the noncanonical Wnt PCP pathway is thought to influence cellular morphology[so want the noncanonical non-Beta-catenin Wnt signaling]. The Wnt Ca2+ pathway has been implicated in the regulation of chondrocyte maturation and proliferation through direct and indirect inhibition of canonical Wnt signaling, but is not the focus of the present study. Wnt PCP effector pathways alter the actin cytoskeleton and cellular morphology through downstream activation of the small GTPases Rac and Rho, and establish cell polarity in response to concentration gradients of appropriate Wnt ligands."
"Wnt PCP components are necessary for flattened chondrocyte morphology and cell stacking in the developing chick limb, and for proper limb elongation in mice. In chicks, maintenance of columnar architecture and flattened cell morphology of proliferative zone chondrocytes is dependent upon expression levels of the Wnt receptor-associated proteins Fzd7 and Vangl2."<-Thus to restore growth plates we have to restore Wnt PCP components.
"Treatment of chondrocyte pellet cultures with Wnt5a or Wnt5b added to the culture media promoted cell flattening, resembling the appearance of proliferative zone chondrocytes."<-So after forming growth plates with LSJL. We have to upregulate Wnt5a. Too bad we don't have data on whether LSJL is inducing chondrogenesis but not growth plates.
"Wnt5a and Fzd7 had a marked impact on induction of columnar architecture, and regions of these pellets displayed architecture reminiscent of the native growth plate"<-So upregulating Fzd7 would be nice to regenerate growth plates as well.
"Fzd7 overexpression and Wnt5a, Wnt5b treatments promote cell stacking."
"Wnt5a promotes the formation of a trimeric receptor complex composed of Fzd7, Ror2, and Vangl2"<-So manipulating any of those 4 likely helps height growth
"Vangl2 misexpression (both under- and overexpression) disrupts column formation in vivo."
According to Transcriptional mechanisms of WNT5A based on NF-κB, Hedgehog, TGFβ, and Notch signaling cascades, TGF-Beta signals upregulate Wnt5a. And since LSJL upregulates TGF-Beta it may already upregulate Wnt5a.
ROLES OF THE FAT PATHWAY IN CARTILAGE PATTERNING AND POLARITY
"Our recent finding that Rere, a close relative of the transcription factor Atrophin which regulates Dachsous (Dchs)-Fat signaling in flies, is required for craniofacial development in zebrafish has implicated the Fat pathway in planar cell polarity (PCP) during skeletogenesis. Dramatic results from our laboratory now demonstrate an even more profound role for a Fat3 in cartilage differentiation, consistent with PCP. Embryos deficient in Rere or Fat3 develop cartilages in which stacking and differentiation are uncoupled in the pharyngeal arches and this leads to joint fusion. Moreover, Rere and Fat3 are critical for coordinating responses of skeletal progenitors to Bmp and Fgf signaling during craniofacial development. We propose to explore the roles of the Fat pathway and PCP in cartilage and joint formation in three sets of experiments. The first aim will address the hypothesis that the Fat pathway couples cartilage stacking and differentiation. Cartilage and joint phenotypes will be evaluated in Rere and Fat3 mutants using live imaging. We will identify the Dchs ligand(s) for Fat in cartilage and create ectopic sources to study signal propagation and modulation{an ectopic source could possibly be a new growth plate}. We will also compare the activities of the Fat pathway and Wnt/PCP and their interdependence in cartilage development. The second aim will address the hypothesis that the Fat pathway coordinates polarized responses to Bmps and other growth factors, thereby linking early patterning events with later organ formation. For this we have new markers of cytoskeletal polarity and cilia that reveal unexpected boundaries of polarity in skeletal progenitors. Finally, the third aim will focus on joint formation and test the hypothesis that the Fat pathway prevents cartilage stacking and differentiation in the joint interzone with inducible elimination or overexpression of Rere or Fat3."
Part of the last paragraph needs clarification:
ReplyDelete"Bodybuilders often go for the peak but I haven't seen any specific examples of a bodybuilder who developed a bicep peak."
Do you mean isolate development of a specific head of the biceps, for example, by isolating either the long or short head?
If that is what you mean there a book:
Target Bodybuilding (9780880119382): Per Tesch
If I remember correctly the book does show some evidence of limited isolation of parts of a muscle group. You are always going to bring in other heads of the muscle to some degree.
Is this what you mean? If not, can you clarify?
Something I came across www.nutriget.com Lemme know what you guys think seems pretty legit to me.
ReplyDeleteAlso,
ReplyDeleteI thought it was an obvious typo or mistake so I didn't mention it before. However, since it wasn't corrected....
You mention "I haven't seen any specific examples of a bodybuilder who developed a bicep peak."
What about Arnold, Robby Robinson, Boyer Coe, Albert Beckles, Ronnie Coleman, Franco Columbu, Bertil Fox, Dave Draper, Paco Bautista, Markus Ruhl.......
...and they are just extreme examples.
I didn't read through this entirely, but perhaps he meant they didn't "DEVELOP" the bicep peak. That is genetics.
DeleteWhen it comes to weight lifting, you can't shape your muscles despite what some of the supplement makers and muscle magazines want to tell you.
i am a bodybuilder and specific bicep curls techniques target the peak just like how mountains form
ReplyDeleteI have never seen or heard of proof this actually happens. I hear a lot of muscle mags claiming it does however. I just don't believe it. Your muscle peaks how it peaks, never heard of anyone proving they could shape it
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